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Investors like Paul want the immigration debate to be strictly polar because it is the only way their traitorous ideas might seem reasonable.

They paint one side as racist, backwards, economically illiterate absolutists and the other as enlightened, growth-minded cosmopolitian realists. Support for laws that protect American citizens can be dismissed as uneducated, anyone who hires immigrants or foreigners in any capacity a hypocrite.

American law should, and does, advantage American citizens. We should not have to compete on an even playing field with billions of people who almost universally don't share our values or respect our institutions, even if they are "the most qualified" or willing to work double the hours for the same wages. The men running Operation Paperclip did not think Americans should have to compete with the entire Third World, they understood that a carefully controlled amount of highly-skilled expert immigration is net good for America even when allegience is in question.

It is worth noting that even on a purely economic level, ignoring all burdens of loyalty or allegiance to your countrymen and treating America as nothing but an economic activity zone, it still doesn't make sense to say without qualification that foreigners should get any job where they are more qualified than their American counterpart.

As just one easy example out of dozens, about 20% of immigrants return home after less than five years, taking all their savings and vested shares with them. Another 20% will leave within ten years, doing the same. All the while, they will wire, on average, ~15% of their wages out of the United States economy every month. Some occupations and origins average 30%! The idea that this should be completely ignored with regard to employment and immigration policy is rampant among the same people who tell you with a straight face that limits on immigrants will destroy the American economy, that the dumb rednecks need to be saved.

I lean very libertarian and have strongly supported immigration to America for many years with countless public examples. That doesn't put me on the same side as the men who want to sell out America, and no amount of long-past accomplishment obliges any of us to listen to their lectures from the other side of the Atlantic.

Quoted post by Paul Graham (@paulg) @PalmerLuckey Why did you give these jobs to foreigners instead of Americans?

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Palmer Luckey is arguing against what he sees as a false binary in the Silicon Valley immigration debate. Paul Graham—programmer, investor, and Y Combinator co-founder—has long argued that the U.S. should aggressively attract exceptional foreign technical talent; his famous formulation is that because Americans are only about 5% of the world population, roughly 95% of the world’s exceptional programmers will necessarily be born elsewhere. Graham’s actual proposal was not unlimited immigration: in the 2014 essay Luckey is reacting to, he explicitly distinguished a few thousand exceptional immigrants from large flows of mediocre H-1B labor. ([Paul Graham][1]) Luckey’s point is that you can accept Graham’s strongest argument—America benefits enormously from importing rare talent—while still believing American citizenship should give someone preferential access to American jobs. Graham replied to Luckey with the deliberately pointed question, “Why did you give these jobs to foreigners instead of Americans?” Luckey sees that as a gotcha based on the very binary he rejects: either prefer Americans categorically and never hire foreigners, or concede that nationality should never matter.

The key conceptual distinction is between talent selection and labor-market neutrality. Luckey supports the first but rejects the second. He is saying: importing an unusually valuable scientist or engineer can increase American power and prosperity, but that does not imply that every American worker should compete worldwide for every position solely on productivity or salary. In his model, immigration policy is an instrument of national policy, not merely a mechanism for making firms maximally efficient. That is why he keeps shifting the unit of analysis from the company to the country: the best hire for Anduril, considered in isolation, is not necessarily the same thing as the best immigration regime for Americans collectively.

Operation Paperclip is his deliberately extreme illustration. After WWII, the U.S. selectively brought German and Austrian scientists and engineers to America because their expertise was strategically valuable; Wernher von Braun is the canonical example. It was emphatically not a policy of opening the American labor market to Germans generally. The program was highly selective—and morally compromised, because many recruits had Nazi affiliations and U.S. officials sometimes maneuvered around those histories. ([National Archives][2]) Luckey’s analogy is therefore: “You can rationally import specific foreigners whose exceptional abilities serve the national interest without accepting a universal principle that foreigners and citizens deserve equal consideration for jobs.” He is not comparing contemporary immigrants to Nazis; he is choosing a case where even serious doubts about allegiance did not eliminate the case for narrowly targeted talent recruitment.

The remittances and return-migration passage is a separate economic argument. Luckey is rejecting the simple model in which an immigrant who produces more output than an American necessarily contributes more to America. He says some immigrants eventually leave with accumulated capital and send part of their earnings abroad while resident, so policymakers should care about where the economic surplus ultimately accrues, not just the worker’s productivity. That does not by itself establish that restricting such immigration improves American welfare—the full calculation would also need taxes, consumption, firm creation, complementarities with American workers, innovation spillovers, descendants, capital formation, and so on. Graham himself responded that he broadly agreed with much of Luckey’s substantive position but thought the remittance point was difficult to translate into a defensible policy. ([Nitter][3])

The unusually personal ending has separate history behind it. Luckey thinks Graham, who made his career and fortune in the American startup ecosystem and has lived in England since 2016, habitually disparages Americans while advocating policies Luckey considers insufficiently loyal to American citizens. Their exchange quickly became openly hostile. So “lectures from the other side of the Atlantic” is not really an immigration argument; it is Luckey attacking Graham’s perceived standing to moralize about American national interests. ([Nitter][4])

[1]: https://www.paulgraham.com/95.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Let the Other 95% of Great Programmers In" [2]: https://www.archives.gov/iwg/reports/nazi-war-crimes-interim-report-october-1999?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Implementation of the Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act | National Archives" [3]: https://x.noodl3.net/PalmerLuckey/status/2094125479813070877?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Palmer Luckey (@PalmerLuckey): \"Investors like Paul want the immigration debate to be strictly polar because it is the only way their traitorous ideas might seem reasonable. They paint one side as racist, backwards, economically illiterate absolutists and the other as enlightened, growth-minded cosmopolitian realists. Support for laws that protect American citizens can be dismissed as uneducated, anyone who hires immigrants or foreigners in any capacity a hypocrite. American law should, and does, advantage American citizens. We should not have to compete on an even playing field with billions of people who almost universally don't share our values or respect our institutions, even if they are \"the most qualified\" or willing to work double the hours for the same wages. The men running Operation Paperclip did not think Americans should have to compete with the entire Third World, they understood that a carefully controlled amount of highly-skilled expert immigration is net good for America even when allegience is in question. It is worth noting that even on a purely economic level, ignoring all burdens of loyalty or allegiance to your countrymen and treating America as nothing but an economic activity zone, it still doesn't make sense to say without qualification that foreigners should get any job where they are more qualified than their American counterpart. As just one easy example out of dozens, about 20% of immigrants return home after less than five years, taking all their savings and vested shares with them. Another 20% will leave within ten years, doing the same. All the while, they will wire, on average, ~15% of their wages out of the United States economy every month. Some occupations and origins average 30%! The idea that this should be completely ignored with regard to employment and immigration policy is rampant among the same people who tell you with a straight face that limits on immigrants will destroy the American economy, that the dumb rednecks need to be saved. I lean very libertarian and have strongly supported immigration to America for many years with countless public examples. That doesn't put me on the same side as the men who want to sell out America, and no amount of long-past accomplishment obliges any of us to listen to their lectures from the other side of the Atlantic.\" | nitter" [4]: https://x.noodl3.net/PalmerLuckey/status/2094192472348098699?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Palmer Luckey (@PalmerLuckey): \"\"Elon retweeted it. You, instead, replied with a straw man, which you then retweeted (really dude?) to draw in all your followers.\" No, I did not. Please stop lying. \"I can only guess that I must have gotten the better of you in some past exchange\" You are so full of yourself, Paul. You know exactly what my problem with you is, to the point where you have emailed Anduril leadership whining about it - I think it is really shitty for you to take constant potshots at America and Americans for being ignorant/religious/bigoted when you are the one who came here, made all your money, and then abandoned our country to shitpost from the English countryside.\" | nitter"